Comments on: A Web Reply to the Post-Web Generation

By: Ma?y Format

Ma?y Format — Fri, 29 Nov 2019 11:43:22 +0000

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By: Jim Andrews

Jim Andrews — Sat, 13 Apr 2019 05:45:53 +0000

Twitter doesn’t ‘need’ the web, but many people use Twitter to link to something on the web. Also, Twitter’s client is undoubtedly simply basically a browser modified to the corporate agenda.

The way forward is not further corporatization and app-based proprietary isolation.

By: Nick Montfort

Nick Montfort — Tue, 04 Sep 2018 04:17:41 +0000

Thanks for the reply, Jason. Flexibility by itself, as opposed to fitness to the purpose one is interested in, is not always ideal. Supporting a multi-author blog (as Grand Text Auto was, back in the day) is a nice feature. I do like the possibility of comments for now, though.

Certainly, don't worry about gumming up my blog, which is pleased to be going at ¼ impulse power after all these years.

By: Jason McIntosh

Jason McIntosh — Tue, 04 Sep 2018 03:06:49 +0000

Plerd does not support comments, and comment support is not on the such-as-it-is project roadmap at this time. It’s very much based on “What Jason McIntosh wants on his own blog right now, plus whatever else this might allow to work by accident.” (And this is how, for example, IFTF uses Plerd to support a multi-author blog, even though that’s not a design goal.)

Certainly, WordPress is a far more flexible publishing platform, and its IndieWeb plugin has a solid reputation among that little community.

Should probably invite followup conversation via email or the like, since I don’t wish to gum up your blog talking about mine. :)

By: Nick Montfort

Nick Montfort — Fri, 31 Aug 2018 22:14:59 +0000

I greatly appreciate your rejection of the post-Web, Jason, as well as, of course, your embrace of The Future and your work to make the open Web more plausible.

For now, you have prompted me to become one of the "500+" users of the IndieWeb WordPress plugin.

Does Plerd yet support ... comments? I suppose it wouldn't have to in order to work to foster discourse, since webmentions can make for a network of conversation. But I'm interested in what the plan is. Now that there is at least some comment activity on Post Position once again, I see that even state-of-the-art comment spam detection is not perfect.

By: Jason McIntosh

Jason McIntosh — Fri, 31 Aug 2018 17:07:09 +0000

I offer a response on my own blog: http://fogknife.com/2018-08-31-rejecting-montforts-post-web-era-while-embracing-the-future.html

By: Leonardo Flores

Leonardo Flores — Mon, 27 Aug 2018 20:56:32 +0000

In true 3rd gen fashion, I have replied on Twitter. Here's the link to my Tweet: https://twitter.com/Leonardo_UPRM/status/1033858177866125312

By: Nick Montfort

Nick Montfort — Mon, 27 Aug 2018 18:36:13 +0000

Let me mention: Rafael has protested that Mexica is not "GOFAI." He will have to explain in a comment or tweet, though; I think different people draw the line between the good old-fashioned and statistical/ML-based work in different ways. I think Mexica uses human-interpretable internal models in ways that the non-GOFAI work — with its different virtues — does not.

By: Søren Pold

Søren Pold — Mon, 27 Aug 2018 16:50:35 +0000

To me the distinction between the generations is interesting in the way it allows for blending in with other kinds of text. This gives us anything from fakes to twitter bots and of course we also saw something similar in web based work. However, when you work in commercial platforms you’re to some extent playing or exploring their game and platform, including their methods of quantification and profiling. Part of the text of a twitter bot or Instagram poem is all the datafication that entails it, as also pointed out by Kathi Berens at the panel. In this way, the interface and software becomes important. Twitter and Facebook are not just neutral platforms but controlled spaces of reading and writing. But at the same time we shouldn’t be too media deterministic. Maybe we’re still waiting fro the best Twitter bot books?

By: David Cornelson

David Cornelson — Mon, 27 Aug 2018 13:07:20 +0000

I’ll bite.

In hindsight, my effort with fyrevm/fyrevm-web was in anticipation/hope of a web and post-web era for interactive fiction.

I saw interesting possibilities if you could separate the story from its presentation and although I still those possibilities, I think native electronic literature (twine, twitter bots) have already caught the attention of many writers (simple is always going to win).

It could by hypothesized that reduced complexity is the harbinger of change in technology and in electronic literature.

Even so, I don’t think we’re done with pre-web and web stories. The idea of a new graph-based platform for story creation is interesting to me and could make it easier to build pre-web interactive fiction.