Comments on: Why I Hate The Martian https://nickm.com/post/2015/10/why-i-hate-_the-martian_/ Nick Montfort Fri, 24 May 2019 15:43:52 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.8.2 By: marshall https://nickm.com/post/2015/10/why-i-hate-_the-martian_/comment-page-1/#comment-793252 Tue, 20 Dec 2016 22:10:57 +0000 http://nickm.com/post/?p=4372#comment-793252 dude i hate the movie and the book, and the author of the book stole the idea from some kid on the internet

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By: GaryL https://nickm.com/post/2015/10/why-i-hate-_the-martian_/comment-page-1/#comment-749698 Sat, 06 Aug 2016 12:29:18 +0000 http://nickm.com/post/?p=4372#comment-749698 There was a moral aspect to the movie that was glossed over. The Head of NASA thought that risking the lives of the whole crew to save one man wasn’t one that NASA should contemplate. I thought that was a valid point of view but the filmmakers chose not to go there even though they did raise it as a possibility. It goes against every submarine movie when the Captain orders the hatch to be closed even though there are crew in those flooding compartments.
Hey it’s an American action adventure movie … a genre movie just like Detective movies, Spy movies, Comic Heroes movies etc. So the focus is always going to be on the individual who comes up with a Eureka idea. If you understand those limitations, THE MARTIAN isn’t awful at all. Also, I watched it on TV so I didn’t pay for it !

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By: Donna dee https://nickm.com/post/2015/10/why-i-hate-_the-martian_/comment-page-1/#comment-726577 Sat, 30 Jan 2016 06:11:28 +0000 http://nickm.com/post/?p=4372#comment-726577 Yea I hated this movie I tried I really did, but I just could not sit and enjoy it! My boyfriend loves it and asked me kindly not to big him since I’m obviously not interested in the movie as he’s currently watching it. Lol! I don’t exactly know why I hate it besides it seems boring to ME and my attention span won’t allow me to finish this movie.

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By: scottalias https://nickm.com/post/2015/10/why-i-hate-_the-martian_/comment-page-1/#comment-726392 Wed, 27 Jan 2016 21:10:57 +0000 http://nickm.com/post/?p=4372#comment-726392 So, the fact that Mars had earth gravity only bothered me? I could have forgiven every other flaw in the movie, but, Mars having the same gravity as earth was every bit as annoying as Sandra Bullock going through all of Gravity without peeing.

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By: David https://nickm.com/post/2015/10/why-i-hate-_the-martian_/comment-page-1/#comment-726337 Wed, 27 Jan 2016 03:16:00 +0000 http://nickm.com/post/?p=4372#comment-726337 Thank you for this review and especially also the comment from Swanson. I saw right through this flick when I saw the trailer and successfully avoided seeing it, but you, sirs, have articulated what I suspected all along!!!

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By: Fred https://nickm.com/post/2015/10/why-i-hate-_the-martian_/comment-page-1/#comment-725092 Thu, 14 Jan 2016 11:17:32 +0000 http://nickm.com/post/?p=4372#comment-725092 Look et the helmet scene, there was a crack on his helmet glass which he covered with a tape, then later on we see him apply the tape on the lab’s window and surprise ! his helmet glass is no longer broken ( no crack, no tape )

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By: Bill https://nickm.com/post/2015/10/why-i-hate-_the-martian_/comment-page-1/#comment-723494 Sat, 26 Dec 2015 04:31:51 +0000 http://nickm.com/post/?p=4372#comment-723494 I was beginning to think I was the only one on planet earth who thought this movie was a pile of dog doodoo. I want my money back.

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By: Rastafarian https://nickm.com/post/2015/10/why-i-hate-_the-martian_/comment-page-1/#comment-711471 Thu, 29 Oct 2015 11:59:34 +0000 http://nickm.com/post/?p=4372#comment-711471 Comment by Michael Swanson — 2015-10-24 @ 7:19 am

You nailed it. Your review is almost exactly what I was thinking as the movie progressed. Contrived social engineering and manipulation. So Progressive…White males (except for Watney, cause he’s Matt Damon their poster boy) are at best competent, at least at the lower levels. If it wasn’t for women and minorities all would be lost. Thank goodness we have them to save us!!!

And your observation about the genius (Purnell) who comes up with the brilliant plan all by himself is right on. They work in teams. Nothing would be even considered without multiple reviews and checks. That’s another falsehood sold to gullible viewers.

Excellent post!

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By: Blogjam | Glitchpuke https://nickm.com/post/2015/10/why-i-hate-_the-martian_/comment-page-1/#comment-711069 Wed, 28 Oct 2015 20:41:44 +0000 http://nickm.com/post/?p=4372#comment-711069 […] Nick Montfort is an expert on “interactive narrative” and “digital poetry” among other things. His blog is both techy and creative, and I like the bare fact that there are people out there pushing these frontiers. Here he does some pop-culture critique: Why I Hate The Martian […]

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By: stacie https://nickm.com/post/2015/10/why-i-hate-_the-martian_/comment-page-1/#comment-709311 Mon, 26 Oct 2015 00:34:46 +0000 http://nickm.com/post/?p=4372#comment-709311 thank you. I’ve been unable to articulate what irked me about this movie. All I could think of was: Cheeeeeese. In my head, I was just screaming- stop. please. stop. thank you. really.

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By: Michael Swanson https://nickm.com/post/2015/10/why-i-hate-_the-martian_/comment-page-1/#comment-708280 Sat, 24 Oct 2015 11:19:15 +0000 http://nickm.com/post/?p=4372#comment-708280 My wife and I viewed this movie last night. We seldom go to the movie theater, and after hearing the hype, thought we’d try this one. It is 2 1/2 hours of my life I’ll never get back.

First of all is the nonsensical politically correct social engineering being foisted upon the viewer. Even though a white man is in charge of NASA, he’s cold and unfeeling — the bottom line for the agency is all that matters. Who is in charge? The Hermes is commanded by a young white female who ultimately takes the biggest risk of all near the conclusion and emerges the heroine for her bravery to compensate for her decision to leave the planet without astronaut Watney in the first place. This commander and the other woman on the crew were the brainchild of the ship and the poor idiotic white male buffoons who accompanied them surely could never have accomplished the ultimate feat of plucking an astronaut out of Mars orbit without being bossed around by these women. Give me a break.

Next are the two main black characters in the movie. The mission supervisor was the one with the heart and feelings to initiate a rescue, which never would have been done by the heartless white NASA chief. Then you’ve got the genius black astrophysicist, who, living in squalor, is the behind the scenes hero of the movie for calculating the Hermes-Earth slingshot tactic. Sorry. These characters — all of them — were poorly conceived and developed during the movie — and none convinced me of authenticity.

Then finally, the whole China involvement. Again, this is telling the audience, see, those communists, they’re not so bad after all. Of course America can’t get a rocket launched on its own and no mission could be successful without the commies. Again, please. I see clearly the subtle and not so subtle manner in which the director attempts to bring about 21st century political correctness, and I resent it.

Then there’s the science. With Mars’ atmosphere being equivalent to only 1% of earth’s, the storm that forced vacation from the planet would be impossible. And those large chunks flying through the air? What was that. There are dust storms on Mars, but they are DUST storms. Good grief. Then the scene of tornadic like activity from thick clouds — never would happen. The small amount of atmosphere permit only cirrus-like cloudiness. And while there are dust devils that form on the surface, they look nothing like what was presented to us. And what is that planet we keep seeing in the sky exhibiting moon- like phases? Is that supposed to be earth? Sorry, it doesn’t look like that from Mars. Oh yes, I could talk cosmic radiation, planetary rotation, and so on, but I won’t. A tarp on top of the capsule and removal of windows? For Pete’s sake.

Finally was all the levity — the stupid disco music, though I enjoyed Abba’s ‘Waterloo’ as a teenager. Then why all the four letter words by supposedly intelligent scientists? Does this just not give dirtbags the stamp of approval to commonly use this language? Again, the message is — it’s perfectly fine and “everybody does it.” Sorry, but when you’re fighting for your survival, the nonsensical humor and cavalier approach to problems just simply would not happen. Of course then, this wouldn’t appeal to the masses immersed in pop culture, either. And what was that stupid kiss by gallant #2 woman in charge on the Hermes on the helmet of one of her buffoonish male contemporaries? Was that supposed to indicate something far more serious between these two — again never developed and gratuitously inserted, serving no purpose other than throwing more candy to the audience.

And why the long hair and beard on Watney only towards the end? Wouldn’t that have been something that manifested itself from the beginning if he were letting personal grooming be a low priority?

This could have been a GREAT movie, but I came away feeling like this was a huge waste of $22 and change and 2 1/2 hours of my time. My wife, bless her little emotional heart, loved it. While I enjoyed the well done special effects and 3D imagery, I absolutely hated the movie, thoroughly seeing that it was simply aimed at your typical “man on the street” who knows very little scientifically and is easily entertained. The plot was good, but the politically correct social engineering, the unbelievable science inaccuracies, and the lack of character development just didn’t connect and ruined it for me. In fact, I barely connected with Watney. Though I have Everest and the new 007 movies on my “to see” list, if “The Martian” is what passes in today’s culture as “incredible,” maybe I’ll rethink returning to the cinema for a long time. I do not recommend it unless you like flushing your money down the toilet and wasting precious time. Just awful.

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By: Terence Blake https://nickm.com/post/2015/10/why-i-hate-_the-martian_/comment-page-1/#comment-703762 Sun, 18 Oct 2015 09:05:02 +0000 http://nickm.com/post/?p=4372#comment-703762 Full review of film here: https://xenoswarm.wordpress.com/2015/10/18/review-of-the-film-the-martian-the-community-of-geeks-versus-the-cold-equations/. Thanks for the inspiration.

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By: Terence Blake https://nickm.com/post/2015/10/why-i-hate-_the-martian_/comment-page-1/#comment-703391 Sat, 17 Oct 2015 20:46:58 +0000 http://nickm.com/post/?p=4372#comment-703391 Karl Popper affirms that “all life is problem-solving”, but the problems have to be created just as much as the solutions. Here problem-solving is trivialised into puzzle-solving, and the puzzles exist in a set of givens. For Popper, science exists when the problem-solving is no longer a matter of mere survival, where error-elimination means death. The story comports an ideological reduction of the human to the individual concerned with survival and enjoyment. Watney does not come to problematise his mission and its economic and political basis, and his vision remains contracted, basic science and 70s pop culture.

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By: Terence Blake https://nickm.com/post/2015/10/why-i-hate-_the-martian_/comment-page-1/#comment-703364 Sat, 17 Oct 2015 19:58:12 +0000 http://nickm.com/post/?p=4372#comment-703364 I keep trying to drive a wedge between the film and the book. I think it is a mistake to see Mark Watney as a spokesman for Ridley Scott’s vision. The book is an ode to problem-solving, but as you say it gives a reductive image of problem-solving, and of science. Watney does not really “science the shit out of it”, but “engineer the shit out of it”.. That is to say, the scientific concepts he employs are at the level of junior high school comprehensibility. If science fiction is the “literature of cognitive estrangement”, the estrangement here is minimal. Despite the show-casing of “scientific” problem-solving, the whole plot is based rather on magical thinking. Magically everything that is needed to keep Watney alive and to bring him back to Earth is already in place or becomes available with a little effort, and tragedy is avoided. Watney is not really transformed by his unique experience, and does not become a “Martian” at all, but remains very much an Earthling, happy to transmit his knowledge and experience to future astronauts, to promote business as usual for Nasa.

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By: On The Martian | this cage is worms https://nickm.com/post/2015/10/why-i-hate-_the-martian_/comment-page-1/#comment-699892 Mon, 12 Oct 2015 17:03:49 +0000 http://nickm.com/post/?p=4372#comment-699892 […] Read Nick Montfort’s critique of The Martian too. […]

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By: Tanz https://nickm.com/post/2015/10/why-i-hate-_the-martian_/comment-page-1/#comment-698427 Sat, 10 Oct 2015 01:07:21 +0000 http://nickm.com/post/?p=4372#comment-698427 I saw it last night, and after two hours, walked out. It’s boring, slow, contrived, annoying, and utterly by the numbers and silly. I liked the disco music and that was about it!! Give me the awesome Alien any day of the week. Everything that this film is not!!

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By: Scott https://nickm.com/post/2015/10/why-i-hate-_the-martian_/comment-page-1/#comment-697159 Wed, 07 Oct 2015 08:59:56 +0000 http://nickm.com/post/?p=4372#comment-697159 Read the book, saw the movie. (Still trying to disentangle the movie from the book in my mind.) The book is not your usual book. It’s not a mix of film A+B+C+D (or the book equivalents). The author didn’t think of a story idea, do the research and then write the book.

As an intellectual exercise, he designed a mission to Mars. Then he looked for flaws in his plan, and either modified the plan to remove the vulnerability, or worked out how to cope with the problem.

At some point he started to write short stories about these problems, and later, he turned the stories into a book.

No romance. No character development. Just a conga line of disasters, with some humor (Swearing publicly at NASA bureaucracy! Pirates!) injected into what would otherwise be a relentlessly grim tale.

It’s a pity the movie was a parody of problem solving for you, since the book is itself a consequence of problem solving.

The movie, it left out or otherwise compressed a lot of the book. In the book, A happens which causes B. In the movie, they didn’t show A, so why did B happen?

To be fair, I don’t think the author spent as much time plotting realistic international diplomacy as he did working out the continuous acceleration course to Mars (I don’t think ion drives were feasible when the Mars Direct plan was written) that would put them on the surface during Thanksgiving.

The author is a computer programmer. The film directory (I’ve liked all work) is a film director.

The cinematography was great. (Not as great as Fury Road though.)

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