Comments on: IF, Visuality, and Other Bits of DAC https://nickm.com/post/2009/12/if-visuality-and-other-bits-of-dac/ Nick Montfort Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:34:51 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.8.2 By: Aaron Kashtan https://nickm.com/post/2009/12/if-visuality-and-other-bits-of-dac/comment-page-1/#comment-1129 Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:34:51 +0000 http://nickm.com/post/?p=590#comment-1129 Thanks very much to both of you for the insightful comments. I hope you won’t mind if I cite this blog post in the next revision of the paper.

I wasn’t necessarily suggesting that City of Secrets was a deilberate polemic. I actually said in the talk that I wasn’t ascribing any deliberate personal intentionality to Nick, because I was talking about him as an author-presence, not a person. And the same applies to you of course. My argument, though, is that it’s difficult *not* to attempt to define the value of IF in contrast to graphics, just as ekphrastic poetry has difficulty ignoring the issue of its relationship to painting, photography or film.

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By: Emily Short https://nickm.com/post/2009/12/if-visuality-and-other-bits-of-dac/comment-page-1/#comment-1113 Mon, 14 Dec 2009 05:16:30 +0000 http://nickm.com/post/?p=590#comment-1113 Thanks for passing this along: I was really interested in Kashtan’s comments. In writing Metamorphoses I did think of what I was doing as specifically ekphrasis, and that’s one reason there are so many layers of detail within the scenery, especially the murals: I was trying to capture a little of the sense, found in Ovid and Catullus, that worked pictorial objects have astounding levels of detail.

With City of Secrets, though, it’s true that I was trying to do something a little bit different: to hint at the protagonist’s perceptual filters by describing styles and trends rather than straightforward physical detail. I doubt whether many players encounter this, but there are even some examinable abstract nouns in CoS: for instance, confronted with a painting, you can EXAMINE STYLE as well as examining the literal objects depicted in the painting (because the painting’s description does mention “style”, and I thought, why not?).

This was partly a thematic decision, to do with the idea that there are many layers of truth and illusion in the City.

I don’t recall it being any kind of deliberate attempt to prove the value of textual IF as a medium as opposed to graphical adventures. (Though Jon Ingold, I believe, wrote “Make It Good” partly to make that argument, so it would be an interesting work to examine in this line.)

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